Learntrends session transcript
Here is the transcript of the chat in today’s noontime session at Corporate Learning Trends and Innovations 08. Chat disappears from Eluminate when you leave the room. After I had left, I realized my copy was flawed. I went back; the conversation was still going on in chat. I pinged Heike Philp to copy it for me. That’s the Me here; it’s Heike. The time zone is Euro-time. There are numerous lessons embedded in this….
Joined on 19. November 2008 at 21:08
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Kristina H: does elluminate have synchronous translations?
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Matt B: http://www.jarche.com/
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Luciana Annunziata: no, we´ll do it for you!
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Moderator (Clark Quinn): forgot to mention my blog: http://www.learnlets.com
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laura (cambridge ma usa): new brunswick is beautiful
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Kristina H: @luciana. thanx.
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Bee (Brazil): Really Stefan? Where do you live, what do you do and how did you learn about learntrends?
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Jen Cason: Hello!
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Stefan Diepolder: I live in Wiesbaden
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Bee (Brazil): Hi Jen
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Nigel: INteresting how quickly we feel loosing the tools.. has this been the case for other sessions
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Stefan Diepolder: near Frankfurt
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Moderator (Clark Quinn): g’day!
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Mike Kemmler: Harold, I came out of AF about 10 years ago, haven’t seen the same focus on training since
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Romi Rancken: You’ve been a great source of inspiration for me, Harold
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Me to Nigel:
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buthaina: Harold’s site again: http://www.jarche.com/
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Bee (Brazil): Harold’s blog is great – as you say a source of inspiration
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Mireille Jansma: No post-it in the house. Tore aof a piece of paper and am chewing gum now.
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virginia yonkers: Good article in Financial Times digital section on the first e savey President (Obama)
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buthaina: Yes, it was an interesting experience at the Unworkshop by Jay!
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laura (cambridge ma usa): obama is in step
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Rob Robertson: http://www.wirearchy.com/
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virginia yonkers: Today’s edition
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laura (cambridge ma usa): first pres in my relatively long lifetime
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Mireille Jansma: Hope this chat will be posted at Ning!!
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Mireille Jansma: Now the gum and the paper. Bye.
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Kristina H: @mireille. the entire session is recorded and made available through ning like the last two days as far as i know.
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Giulia: where on the site?
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Moderator (Clark Quinn): Jay’s blogs: http://www.internettime.com and http://www.informl.com
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Julie: As you attend these online sessions, what Web 2.0 applications do you use to help you process the content? (ex. Diigo for bookmarking)? Love to hear suggestions.
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laura (cambridge ma usa): obama’s freaking cause he has to get rid of his blackberry
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Kristina H: @giulia recordings in ning? i found the one for yesterday in a forum.
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buthaina: Jay Cross portal page at: http://www.jaycross.com/
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Giulia: ok, thanks
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Eduardo Peirano: @julie Delicious
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Moderator (Clark Quinn): don’t you envy her?
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Mirjam: yes! go ahead, Jay
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virginia yonkers: Go ahead Jay
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laura (cambridge ma usa): yay, jay!
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Kristina H: @giulia. can’t give you a link now as i can’t connect to our ning site. timeout.
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Eduardo Peirano: @julie Twitter Search, http://search.twitter.com/search?q=learntrends
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Rudy Rosales (XicanoWan): U know my pain, Jay!!!
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buthaina: I like the togetherlearn
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virginia yonkers: We have had tools taken away by the legal office
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laura (cambridge ma usa): jay, this is why people do things on the down-low
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Bee (Brazil): @julie I discovered I am using 23 of the 25 tools J. Hart mentioned – guess I am an average user
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laura (cambridge ma usa): that is, for portuguese and german, etc friends,
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laura (cambridge ma usa): at an underground level
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Nigel: IT acknowledge that they are overwhelmed and actually NEED collaboration themselves to help THEM help us..
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Nigel: IT acknowledge that they are overwhelmed and actually NEED collaboration themselves to help THEM help us..
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Rudy Rosales (XicanoWan): That’s great nigel, a win!
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Luciana Annunziata: Nigel, maybe this networking thing is too subversive.
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Nick Simons: IT needs to get with the “open source” program
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Me: from not working to networking
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Bee (Brazil): lol
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Luciana Annunziata: Maybe people will start doing it outsie official org net. IT is too slow….
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Nigel: hehe heike
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laura (cambridge ma usa): You know, i like these glitches, because we are all learning how to use this tool
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Mireille Jansma: Anyone here from a corp with a good story about doing social media?
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Susan Neva: sometimes it’s open source inside the org, but not customer facing, unfortunately
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laura (cambridge ma usa): so many directions, where to start
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Rudy Rosales (XicanoWan): not too sure why the term “revolt” is being used
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Bee (Brazil): lol
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laura (cambridge ma usa): the lines get drawn…
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Luciana Annunziata: Natura in Brazil seems to be building a nice story, but still in the very beginning.
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laura (cambridge ma usa): and so begins the crystalization of the structure
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laura (cambridge ma usa): :}
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Kristina H: revolt was used because we could only see a white screen but could not draw on the whiteboard.
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Rudy Rosales (XicanoWan): Experimentation is dangerous, if it doesn;t fly, it backfires
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Bee (Brazil): what is the case , Luciana?
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Mireille Jansma: Revolt: we were joking at the start. Just having fun
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Kimberley: i think maybe because this is supposed to be expert led and it does not seem to be taken that way. perhaps someone needs to suggest an open room forum at some point in the conference?
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laura (cambridge ma usa): there are open rooms on the website
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Luciana Annunziata: Talk to Leticia Rodrigues, she´s leading it.
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Rudy Rosales (XicanoWan): @clark, yes, the threat…
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laura (cambridge ma usa): http://learntrends.ning.com/forum
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virginia yonkers: Also depends on the goal
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Bee (Brazil): you can add discussions
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Bee (Brazil): to the forum
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laura (cambridge ma usa): live chat would be nice
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virginia yonkers: Informal learning won’t work if there are licensing requirements
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Bee (Brazil): yes
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Mireille Jansma: Yes experimenting is the only way to go. There are no ‘best practices
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Nigel: Actually “revolt” I think is about not setting up expectations with the audience. If this is to be a non interactive presentation.. a legitimate type of meeting, then that needs to be set up at the beginning.
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Luciana Annunziata: the best practice is to practice!
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virginia yonkers: Getting you staff licensed (i.e. CPA, nursing, etc…)
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laura (cambridge ma usa): virginia, is that informal won’t work, or than maybe a large part of the mgr role is capturing/quanitfying the learning?
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Bee (Brazil): voilà
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virginia yonkers: No government regulations
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Bee (Brazil): @luciana you said it
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Susan Neva: best practices could be what ais considered more effective and efficient
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Rudy Rosales (XicanoWan): @clark, wow, have you blogged abou tthat, would love to have it in writing
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Moderator (eLearnspace): hey all
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Mireille Jansma: Would there be a way to work together across organisations to set up open learning, using open courseware?
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laura (cambridge ma usa): yes, open space
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Bee (Brazil): HI George(?)
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buthaina: Hi George!
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Moderator (eLearnspace): @bee – yes
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Moderator (eLearnspace): wireless is flakey here
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Matt B: What an interesting social experiment! The revolt reference was a joke and a whole line of enquiry/discussion has spruing from it!
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Luciana Annunziata: Yes susan, but this is all so new! And orgs are so differente from one another!
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Moderator (eLearnspace): not sure how long i’ll be in
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Ammar: Egypt
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buthaina: no no no Kuwait now
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Moderator (Clark Quinn): Mireille, that’s sort of what Doug Englebart was talking about, bootstrappign ourselves
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virginia yonkers: Need certain number of credits that need to follow government regulations
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buthaina: lebanon end of month
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laura (cambridge ma usa): right, maybe push the sessions out..
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ross: and a couple of canadians
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Moderator (Clark Quinn): virginia, but the credits may come from content that is developed from the community: the ’scanning’ that Dave Pollard talked about
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Luciana Annunziata: no, canadians are fine, they have the only “organic” flag in the world!
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Nigel: Open conversation or even a focussed topic.. I have suggested straight after this session for those who are just waking up.
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Bee (Brazil): maybe a space for people to suggest conversations like in a barcamp
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Mireille Jansma: @Clark thanks, I didn’t attend his lecture. But I’m looking into it and would love to collaborate on it cross organisationally.
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Rudy Rosales (XicanoWan): yes, speed of knowledge, crucial concept
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ross: but our laws prevent us from eating it
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laura (cambridge ma usa): suggest combining an open discussion with mindmeister
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Moderator (Clark Quinn): Doug’s not speaking here, he’s the man who invented the mouse and hsa been a thought leader for decades
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laura (cambridge ma usa): particularly if start with a topic
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virginia yonkers: My sister is a speech theorpist and to maintain license she has to take “approved” courses/training
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Nigel: Laura sounds great
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Julie: What is mindmeister?
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Bee (Brazil): a concept map tool @julie
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Moderator (Clark Quinn): hmm, repository of examples, coupled by conceptual frameworks (wikis?) or a mind map
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Me: mindmeister = mindmap tool
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Nick Simons: We used it on line on Monday
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Mireille Jansma: @Clark it would help learning depts and would fitt coming cost cutting, plus changing focus to cross organisational learning And would help establish connections between universities, businesess and learning experts
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Luciana Annunziata: I love the idea of learnscape!
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Susan Neva: yes, with combinations of tools that work well together
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Moderator (Clark Quinn): but we need discussion framework around mind map, because we’ll disagree on where they fit
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laura (cambridge ma usa): learnscape – great term
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Moderator (Clark Quinn): mireille, but companies are loath to share… sad to say
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Moderator (Clark Quinn): but agree, great idea
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Mireille Jansma: Do you have thoughts on that?
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Bee (Brazil): I must go…connection not steady …see you tomorrow
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laura (cambridge ma usa): by bee!
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Moderator (Clark Quinn): mireille, I have thoughts on *everything*
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Moderator (Clark Quinn): Bye, Bee
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buthaina: bye Bee, later
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Mireille Jansma: @Clark I don’t agree. I work for a big financial and I think people are changing the way they think. The recession helps.
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laura (cambridge ma usa): On monday, with Robin good, we did this mindmap of online collaboration tools:
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laura (cambridge ma usa): http://www.mindmeister.com/12213323
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Nigel: ” learning professionals are already overburdened” only relates to their work life. Personally most people have time for learning for personal reasons, which THEN moves back into their competence at work. Workplace learning by stealth..
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Mirjam: How do you picture that, Jay?
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Moira 1: OK Job descriptions (re jay), I’d like to throw into discussion ‘What is the online expert?’ They appear everywhere and every day but what/who are they?
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Moderator (eLearnspace): @jay/harold when you end, stop the record and it ends the session
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virginia yonkers: That’s going to take some work. Developing Sharing culture
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Mireille Jansma: @Clark I’ve thoughts about everything too. So that’s a fit.
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Susan Neva: nigel, good insight
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Luciana Annunziata: I think it is fundamental that we start with dialogue methods such as world cafe to prepare the scene.
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virginia yonkers: When you do things in Beta, who do you “test” on?
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Mireille Jansma: Ah Cynefin. Dave Snowden is a great thinker.
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Moderator (Clark Quinn): virginia, the same people
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laura (cambridge ma usa): beta, well, technically you would select an audience
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Romi Rancken: He is!
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laura (cambridge ma usa): but in microsoft world, it’s all of us
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Moderator (Clark Quinn): test on yourselves
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virginia yonkers: Users who will use? or early adaptors?
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Mireille Jansma: Wikipedia page just started. Go to the site and dig up articles, listen to podcasts
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laura (cambridge ma usa): try to find typical users, but in reality is usually techies
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Moderator (Clark Quinn): virginia, that’s a strategic decision: depnds on importance, budget, etc
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laura (cambridge ma usa): unless people are paid
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Mireille Jansma: Weak signal detection
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virginia yonkers: How do make sure that June the secretary will use it and the problems she’ll have?
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Mireille Jansma: safe fail experiments
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laura (cambridge ma usa): vir, you are addressing usability issues
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laura (cambridge ma usa): which are paramount
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buthaina: Beta states that evrything is in constant change and don’t think it has to do with testing
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Susan Neva: this model addresses all different kinds of orgs
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laura (cambridge ma usa): and still not addressed adequately
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Mireille Jansma: Muddle through the mess, and don’t be afraid of it
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laura (cambridge ma usa): iterative development
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Nigel: What wikipedia link is that slide
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James BonTempo: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Cynefin.png
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laura (cambridge ma usa): Control is totally an illusion
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Luciana Annunziata: moderator, could you please ask them to show the hearline for this wiki page…
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laura (cambridge ma usa): wirearchy is right
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Mireille Jansma: @Nigel just go to the Cognitive Edge site (www.cognitive-edge.com) and look up the material. Way better than Wikipedia.
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virginia yonkers: Are there good models to capture what is really happening?
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buthaina: the sound is not stable ! it goes and comes
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Nigel: Thx mireille
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Liz Dorland (Chimera Cosmos): what if what they are doing is not in the best interest of a constituency–say students? still get out of the way?
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laura (cambridge ma usa): software is object-based now, and modular, which has also changed development and thus collaboration models, etc.
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laura (cambridge ma usa): who defines best interest?
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Luciana Annunziata: tks mirelle!
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Ammar: @buthaina try to pause browsing if you have other open screens
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virginia yonkers: Jay, this is how I always feel when running my class!
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buthaina: no, Ammar, I’m so tuned in here, no browsing!
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virginia yonkers: I sometimes think it makes the students more open to trying new things
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Michael Lowenthal: @laura u would hope the user, but it usually ends up being whomever asked for the material
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buthaina: but this happens sometimes with app sharing esp.
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Liz Dorland (Chimera Cosmos): Not raising hand, but could you scroll back to my question when you get a chance?
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Ammar: it’s happening to me now
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buthaina: see!
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Me: Q: in a changing world what truly stays the same? I am referring to the principle center, 7 Habits of Successful people idea – what is the principle that never changes in learning?
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buthaina: Jay, why don’t you use WebTour instead of app sharing; the sound might be better with webtour feature
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Nigel: Think with the end in mind?
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Me: @Nigel, correct
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Luciana Annunziata: if there´s no curiosity, there´s no learning – this, for me, never changes.
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Rudy Rosales (XicanoWan): I like what u r saying clark
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virginia yonkers: Student engagement
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buthaina: oops, sorry, I meant, Clark
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Rudy Rosales (XicanoWan): how about consultants pushing the tech, can we really experiment, and have a good name?
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laura (cambridge ma usa): we don’t mind being guinnea pigs, well, i speak for me
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virginia yonkers: There are many ways to get them engaged
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Susan Neva: or as tony said yesterday, we get a buzz of discovery in the brain (after satisfying the curiosity)
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Ammar: one comment i heard from DevLearn that if formal learning will get me only 20% of my learning and i spend on it only 3% of my actual time, then it’s still a good investment (argument against informal learning)
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laura (cambridge ma usa): we’re usually experimenting, even when we don’t know it
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Moderator (Harold Jarche): Plan C right now
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Mireille Jansma: Plan B I love it
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Susan Neva: rudy good question
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virginia yonkers: Formal learning is focused on what the organization wants you to learn
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Mireille Jansma: Anyone here who Twitters?
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Moderator (Clark Quinn): ammar, not to say formal doesn’t have it’s place, but also we need to support informal, rather than leveit to chance
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Mireille Jansma: So that we can get connected to share more stories?
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Susan Neva: consultants sometimes hired to do specific job, how innovative can they be?
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Rudy Rosales (XicanoWan): What is the link the the internettime wiki?
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Liz Dorland (Chimera Cosmos): let preview do it
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Me: @ Mireille twitter.com/heikephilp
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Moderator (Clark Quinn): chance can hav eside effects, like rumor mill
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laura (cambridge ma usa): there is formally learned informal and informally learned formal
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virginia yonkers: Informal may not be focused on what the organization wants
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laura (cambridge ma usa): method vs information type
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Nigel: @virginia..and I would say that it is a dance.. what they want you to learn and what you agree is worthwhile for you .. enough!
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Ammar: thanks Clark
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laura (cambridge ma usa): if one neads to learn how to do a particular job, that is formal
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Liz Dorland (Chimera Cosmos): togetherlearn
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Moderator (Clark Quinn): susan, consultants can also help figure it out: creative
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virginia yonkers: Exactly Nigel
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laura (cambridge ma usa): and is often taught formally,
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Luciana Annunziata: again, if you´re not curious, you don´t learn.
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Mary in AZ: are we supposed to be seeing the blue-on-black spot?
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Moderator (Clark Quinn): we’re seeing it
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Liz Dorland (Chimera Cosmos): it’s pretty!
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Mireille Jansma: Im here: http://twitter.com/MireilleJansma
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Moderator (Clark Quinn): we had it, and now weve’ lost it
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Susan Neva: yes, sometimes, but sometimes contractors are boxed in
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laura (cambridge ma usa): but could use informal methods to teach formal knowledge, and measure formally
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Nick Simons: can you pls close the left-hand panel?
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Mireille Jansma: @Heike But I already follow you! I’m a fan!
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Liz Dorland (Chimera Cosmos): “Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!!”
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laura (cambridge ma usa): pretty
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Matt B: lol @Liz
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Nigel: @Luciana.. curiosity and knowing that it is worth it.. is key.
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Luciana Annunziata: Yes laura, I agree, you can measure aprehension after informal learning!
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Rudy Rosales (XicanoWan): That is exquisite
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Me: @ Mireille
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laura (cambridge ma usa): exactl
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Me: @ Laura: brilliant thought – but could use informal methods to teach formal knowledge, and measure formally
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Mireille Jansma: I put my hand up
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Rudy Rosales (XicanoWan): wonder what that offshoot is to the bottom right side in the beginning. military?
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laura (cambridge ma usa): and you can learn informal information
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Liz Dorland (Chimera Cosmos): looks a bit like a Nexus network for a FB power user heheh
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Me: MIT does this already, so I heard
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Moderator (Clark Quinn): we’ll try to get to you, but they’re still trying to figure this out
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Me: learning = informal, assessment = formal
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laura (cambridge ma usa): say, cultural mores that would be taken for granted by a native, by formal methods
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Me: is this a model?
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Ammar: Jay was that picture taken in Bahrain ?
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Nigel: If formal learning is the seedling, informal learning is the soil and nutrients!
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Liz Dorland (Chimera Cosmos): I want both of those cars!
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Mireille Jansma: @Clark I just want to propose to let us grab the mike while you do this stuff
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Mike Kemmler: at work the sites are all blocked
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Rudy Rosales (XicanoWan): informal to teach formal, wonder what those metrics would be…
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laura (cambridge ma usa): nigel, nice
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virginia yonkers: Great analogy Nigal. You need all of those elements for learning
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Rudy Rosales (XicanoWan): yes, informal addresses the long-tail
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Liz Dorland (Chimera Cosmos): Mt Fuji!
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Moderator (Clark Quinn): Mireille, I’m trying
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Mireille Jansma: Listen then.
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Me: mayby but could use informal methods to teach formal knowledge, and measure formally – might be possible but not desired, what do you think?
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Liz Dorland (Chimera Cosmos): who is the artist of this?
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laura (cambridge ma usa): informal – like resources provided, networking – ?
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Mirjam: Agreed
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buthaina: I’m getting audio warning message! anyone else is getting it as well?
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virginia yonkers: What do you take out of formal learning is informal
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laura (cambridge ma usa): right, all learning is both, but I still would separate process and information type
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Rudy Rosales (XicanoWan): Heike, that is the big question
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Nigel: Can you zoom in on the pdf
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Liz Dorland (Chimera Cosmos): I like to do all at once–watch and listen and talk
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Greg Waldrop (Houston, Texas): where could we see this image large enough to read the blurbs?
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Liz Dorland (Chimera Cosmos): in backchat
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Moderator (Jay Cross): click the mic button to talk
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Moderator (Clark Quinn): not warning, but audio’s broken up
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Rudy Rosales (XicanoWan): is someone gonna talk?
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Me: its from Jays book
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Luciana Annunziata: Good metaphor NIgel.
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Mireille Jansma: It’s up again
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Moderator (Clark Quinn): I’m hearing talk, are you?
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laura (cambridge ma usa): can we see a larger graphic
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Mireille Jansma: My hand
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Moderator (Clark Quinn): but it’s stil lJay
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Nigel: Audio is gr8 down here in Sydney
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Moderator (Clark Quinn): mireille?
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Liz Dorland (Chimera Cosmos): was great till I got on wireless
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Rudy Rosales (XicanoWan): mirei, hit the f2 button on bottom if u want to talk
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Luciana Annunziata: Heike, why not desired? I don´t get your point.
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Me: I feel that formal assessment is not wanted
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Me: might be wrong though
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Nick Simons: can we get the URL to this document, so we can see it locally?
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Me: this is testing sentiments and experience
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virginia yonkers: By whom Heike?
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virginia yonkers: Students?
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laura (cambridge ma usa): jay, way to see this larger?
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Mireille Jansma: dont see orange
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Mauricio Andrade de Paula: where is this doc management2.0.pdf ???
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virginia yonkers: I agree. But companies and organizaitons want formal assessment
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Luciana Annunziata: Yep, but sometimes you will need to have an assessment on aprehension by students inside an organization for ex. Or else you wont´have the funding for nothing… unfort.
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Moderator (Clark Quinn): Mirielle
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Moderator (Jay Cross): to see all the slides for yourself, do this
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Moderator (Jay Cross): go to jaycross.com
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Moderator (Jay Cross): click HOME
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Me: I suggested this to a number of people in my field and they are all for it – BUT – greatly pose big hurdles in front of the idea, assessment methods, style, form,
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Moderator (Jay Cross): from the home page, scroll down to the conference logo
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Rudy Rosales (XicanoWan): heike, can u speak to this?
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Rudy Rosales (XicanoWan): on the mic?
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Moderator (Clark Quinn): take it away, Mirieille
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Mireille Jansma: doesn’t work
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Moderator (Jay Cross): click the “presentation chunks” linik
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Moderator (Jay Cross): no.
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Moderator (Jay Cross): just showing people how to get the material for use afterward.
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Me: just need to close app share window
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Rudy Rosales (XicanoWan): mireill, may be silly ?, but do u have a mic?
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Moderator (Clark Quinn): try now?
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Mirjam: I would like to know more about what this platform looks like.
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Mireille Jansma: Thanks anyway. Nice experiment.
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virginia yonkers: Other possible problem if no formal assessment is that you have different competencies that no one but the individual knows about
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Luciana Annunziata: Heike, for me is a question of learning design, the combination of informal/formal is a technical decision taken by those involved, specially the learder of the learning programme.
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laura (cambridge ma usa): hee hee
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Me: you need to close app share window
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laura (cambridge ma usa): love it
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laura (cambridge ma usa): chaos!
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Me: the slides are behind
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Nigel: Clost the share window.
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Nigel: We are hearing you.
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Mireille Jansma: Nah, no nightmare I hope! We still interact.
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laura (cambridge ma usa): exactly
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Mary in AZ: I can hear you loud and clear!
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Susan Neva: sound good here
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Nigel: We can close the share window as participants
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Liz Dorland (Chimera Cosmos): we can chat and talk–np!
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Mireille Jansma: Ah Nigel. It works!
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Me: Mireille simply needs to exit quickly
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Moderator (Clark Quinn): but, see, you’re self learning through the chat
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Moderator (Clark Quinn):
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Me: and come back, she’ll have the mic again
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Liz Dorland (Chimera Cosmos): got the download
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Mireille Jansma: @Heike ?
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Moderator (Clark Quinn): getting better now, eh?
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Nick Simons: Big poster: http://www.flickr.com/photos/maisonbisson/157410289/sizes/o/
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Moderator (Clark Quinn): so, questions?
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Luciana Annunziata: Jay and friends talk to us, not to the application… we want u
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Me: @ Mireille if you want the mic again, exit and come back
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virginia yonkers: How do you address this in training?
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Rudy Rosales (XicanoWan): Groovy, thanks Nick!!!
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Me: or else a moderator can give you
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virginia yonkers: There has been very little discussion of access
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Moderator (Jay Cross): Visual think did the informal graphic
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Moderator (Clark Quinn): ah, much nicer
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virginia yonkers: Especially for those that might only have dial up service
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Liz Dorland (Chimera Cosmos): punt!
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Moderator (Clark Quinn): we learned a lesson: two separate app sharing slams the java app’s ability to keep up
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Luciana Annunziata: improvise!
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Liz Dorland (Chimera Cosmos): not at all–the joys of newer tech!
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Liz Dorland (Chimera Cosmos): this is a great learning experience LOL
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Moderator (Clark Quinn): thanks for your gracious undestanding
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Mireille Jansma: @Heike It didn’t work sigh. So much to talk about and ask…
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laura (cambridge ma usa): jay, this pic is cool – just too unwieldy to view on screen
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Liz Dorland (Chimera Cosmos): “learn from failure” right?
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Moderator (Clark Quinn): liz: exactly
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Michael Lowenthal: so, we were the beta for this presentation
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Moderator (Clark Quinn): gotta expriment
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Liz Dorland (Chimera Cosmos): yup–experiment or die!
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Moderator (Clark Quinn): we just push the envelope
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Liz Dorland (Chimera Cosmos): no don’t go!!!
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Luciana Annunziata: ok, great Jay!
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Rudy Rosales (XicanoWan): i think we are all the experimenting spirit
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laura (cambridge ma usa): hey, jay, stay
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Mireille Jansma: Anyway I am happy to have met people here virtually.
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virginia yonkers: Have you ever had this happen in your own experience?
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Jen Cason: bye
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Liz Dorland (Chimera Cosmos): of course
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virginia yonkers: How did you handle it?
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Liz Dorland (Chimera Cosmos): who hasn’t
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laura (cambridge ma usa): we all empathize with all these technical difficulties
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Moderator (Clark Quinn): we pushed the limit of the app’s capabilities (sigh)
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Moderator (Clark Quinn): so, can we use the chat to answer any questions?
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Mireille Jansma: unworkshops? Love the term!
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Rudy Rosales (XicanoWan): Could I ask a ? of the group? and chat to answer back?
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virginia yonkers: Should you have back up plans?
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Luciana Annunziata: if we don´t push the limits, who will?
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Liz Dorland (Chimera Cosmos): next time let’s meet in Second Life for a real fun time–noobs can REALLY learn in trial by fire there
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Liz Dorland (Chimera Cosmos): but I love it!
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laura (cambridge ma usa): now we can all, as beta testers, send feedback to elluminate
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Mireille Jansma: Seriously: UNworkshops?
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Moderator (Clark Quinn): Rudy, ask your question here
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laura (cambridge ma usa): playshops
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Moderator (Jay Cross): I will post links here http://tinyurl.com/5d8no2
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Mireille Jansma: What got this term into oblivion?
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Ammar: someone recommended dimdim.com
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Moderator (Jay Cross): that’s the discussion site
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Moderator (Clark Quinn): we wanted to have a discussion: harold, jay, and I, and couldn’t do with elluminate
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Moderator (Jay Cross): perfectly
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Kimberley: yes
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Moderator (Clark Quinn): yes
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James BonTempo: yes
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Susan Neva: yes
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Liz Dorland (Chimera Cosmos): anyone wants to join our Second Life COP just twit or email me
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Rob Robertson: i also find it is often blocked through corp firewalls
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Liz Dorland (Chimera Cosmos): learning Second Life history, cultures, and communities + building + touring
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Me: what was O’Reilly’s view on this?
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Moderator (Jay Cross): the appropriate metrics are business metrics. always
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Liz Dorland (Chimera Cosmos): 10K IBMers can’t be wrong, right? LOL
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buthaina: my chat window forzen and back now..whew
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Moderator (Clark Quinn): yes, measure rate of new idea generation, decreasing time to debug customer problems…
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Rob Robertson: yes!
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Rudy Rosales (XicanoWan): improvements, short term proxy
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virginia yonkers: But how do you measure that?
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Ammar: but as Learning professional i’m asked to provide KPIs for my division
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Moderator (Clark Quinn): virginia, get baseline, then compare post
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buthaina: sound is much better now
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virginia yonkers: Your work or your department’s preformance?
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Will Thalheimer: But it’s also how you design your comparisons!!! It’s not just about collecting data.
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Moderator (Clark Quinn): Ammar, your KPIs should reflect what improves business, deltas in other’s KPIs
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Liz Dorland (Chimera Cosmos): /me looks around for my third martini at (virtual) lunch
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laura (cambridge ma usa): would like to check out the 2nd life
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Moderator (Clark Quinn): Will, yes, (will’s the guru of measurement)
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virginia yonkers: What about the informal learning that goes on through the networks
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Luciana Annunziata: Me too, wd like to check on 2nd life
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Mireille Jansma: @Liz corp intelligence is a reverse function of amount of people.
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Ammar: Will who?
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Moderator (Clark Quinn): (the informal learning has to lead to outcomes
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Liz Dorland (Chimera Cosmos): lol Mireille
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Moderator (Clark Quinn): you should be focusing on a group, and topics that they need to be following
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Liz Dorland (Chimera Cosmos): if you’ve not been in SL, I can get you straight to our Jokaydia space (http://jokaydia.com
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Ammar: Oh, Will ..yes of course … i had the honor of attending his workshop
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Will Thalheimer: And, don’t just look at business results (which is not a descriptive enough)
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Moderator (Clark Quinn): look at my blogroll at learnlets.com, you’ll find a number of good blogs
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Will Thalheimer: Oh, I don’t have a microphone, just my pc mike
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Nigel: In putting together an individual’s development plan I encourage a diversity of experiences – to achieve direct business as well as the “rounded” person. it is the diversity which is appreciated by the individual.. (You really care about me!)
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Liz Dorland (Chimera Cosmos): just email me at dorland@wustl.edu and I’ll introduce you around SL hehehehe
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Moderator (Clark Quinn): and tehre’s a top 100 edubloggers list elsewhere
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Rudy Rosales (XicanoWan): give it a shot
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Moderator (Clark Quinn): Jane’s got a list of top edutwitterers, too
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Mireille Jansma: My mike sign has disappeared altogether now. Sigh.
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Will Thalheimer: Actually, i’m at a client site, so can’t speak up.
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Liz Dorland (Chimera Cosmos): (just not all 55 of your at once…)
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Moderator (Clark Quinn): stealth laerning
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Liz Dorland (Chimera Cosmos): 54
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Liz Dorland (Chimera Cosmos): and it’s free!
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Luciana Annunziata: tks liz!
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Nigel: Moderators set this up for the session
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virginia yonkers: How many people are doing stealth learning now?
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James BonTempo: ha! true
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Liz Dorland (Chimera Cosmos): it’s just like Adobe Connect, etc etc
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Will Thalheimer: Measuring informal learning is NOT easy. Let me start with that.
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Ammar: yes Will, i still have to read your article on that
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Moderator (Clark Quinn): need the right tool for the job: design preso for tool, unfortunately not the other way around
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Rudy Rosales (XicanoWan): What defines stealth learning?
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Luciana Annunziata: Clark, I´d like that list of edu blogs, where can I find it?
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Nigel: Learning the capabilities of the tool allows the options to be selected and expectations set..
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Moderator (Clark Quinn): I meant Will paying attention to our preso at client site
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Mireille Jansma: My hi is orange, my hand is down and I have no mic. The wonders of digital play
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Liz Dorland (Chimera Cosmos): Second Life!! That’s where people around the world can meet up
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Liz Dorland (Chimera Cosmos): not kidding
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Liz Dorland (Chimera Cosmos): get out of the bubble
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Rob Robertson: +1 SL
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laura (cambridge ma usa): let’s ask robin best tool!
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Michael Lowenthal: until we run into the firewall
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Ammar: http://www.dimdim.com/
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Moderator (Clark Quinn): Luciana, have to send me an email, remind me to post it to the learntrends.ning site
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Rudy Rosales (XicanoWan): @Liz, SL I think is fading, proprietary worlds are where its @
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debbie: in tools you can allow more speakers at wone time
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Nigel: FOr those out of the US timezone, there is a discussion topic about getting together..
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Liz Dorland (Chimera Cosmos): SL is not one dimensional
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Liz Dorland (Chimera Cosmos): it has the open community that the walled gardens will never have
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Mireille Jansma:
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laura (cambridge ma usa): we are doing real-world performance testing
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Liz Dorland (Chimera Cosmos): and right now, it’s the best game in town
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Liz Dorland (Chimera Cosmos): why wait? why not learn more than one platform? we are flexible here, right?
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laura (cambridge ma usa): let’s capture our learnings!
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ross trying again: A skype voice conference call bridged into the ‘moderator’ link might work
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larryL: it;s ok still great sessions…
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Rudy Rosales (XicanoWan): @Liz, yes we are!!!
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Mireille Jansma: @laura yes indeed. Elearning at it’s summit
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Luciana Annunziata: bye everyone, Jay and friends, s. happens, everyone is so amazed with the conference u don´t have to appologize!
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Nigel: Check out the capabilities.. Elluminate is very reslilient!
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Will Thalheimer: thanks for doing this !!!!!!!!!!
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Susan Neva: I got a couple of things out of this session, cynefin, the poster, thanks!
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laura (cambridge ma usa): we could develop a community that comes together to test these tools together
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Liz Dorland (Chimera Cosmos): you would not believe the dozens of hugely creative folks I’ve met from around the world in every discipline and social group and more
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LeeKraus: np tecnology can totally get better.
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Moderator (Clark Quinn): grab it, heike
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Mireille Jansma: No don’t apologize, there is so much to talk about and this is an amazing conference
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LeeKraus: bye
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Liz Dorland (Chimera Cosmos): we don’t all have to go–but I love introducing people to SL and watching them be blown away lol
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Moderator (Clark Quinn): go, heike
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Mireille Jansma: I can’t remark. Have no mic
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Moderator (Clark Quinn): see you’ve grabbed it, but can’t hear you
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Liz Dorland (Chimera Cosmos): type!
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laura (cambridge ma usa): can’t hear you!
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Moderator (Clark Quinn): can’t hear you, heike, too faint
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Rob Robertson: each day has been great, today has really given me some things I can apply
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Rudy Rosales (XicanoWan): i hear u barely
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laura (cambridge ma usa): now we can hear
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Susan Neva: better
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Rudy Rosales (XicanoWan): YAY HEIKE!!!!
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Moderator (Clark Quinn): there we go!
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Moderator (Clark Quinn): please do ask
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Rudy Rosales (XicanoWan): @heike, yes
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Moderator (Clark Quinn): yes, kudos to Jay, Tony, & George
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Barb: agree, thanks for a valuable conference that is FREE!
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laura (cambridge ma usa): good question
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Moderator (Clark Quinn): yes, the amazing upswing of social interest across DevLearn and here, it’s really swamped other ‘hot’ topics like mobile, etc
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larryL: better than most paid conferences…great job.
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Rob Robertson: agree @larryL
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Ammar: may be you hosts could survey the audiance … as small pay back …
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Mireille Jansma: What a good question. And about the organisers, not self. Very nice
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Rudy Rosales (XicanoWan): ah, where are the mobile discussions?
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Liz Dorland (Chimera Cosmos): always more to learn when you get out of your bubble
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Nigel: I really appreciated the setting up of the ning sharing environment integrated with the live sessions
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Liz Dorland (Chimera Cosmos): so fun!!
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Susan Neva: I will forever be looking for free conferences/ ning discussions now that I’ve experience them
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laura (cambridge ma usa): with you, susan
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Liz Dorland (Chimera Cosmos): Ning on learning from visualization: (requires real name and contact info for collaboration: http://visualization.ning.com
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Mireille Jansma: Also with you
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Luciana Annunziata: me too, I can´t get out!
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Moderator (Clark Quinn): don’t forget the ‘fee’ conferences, eLearning Guild does do good conference…
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Susan Neva: thanks Liz for link
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Rudy Rosales (XicanoWan): no need to look for them, this is NOW a community, that will keep on speaking.
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Susan Neva: yes, I went to dev learn for free last week
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Ammar: lucky u Susan
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Susan Neva: expo only
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Ammar: oh , ok
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Moderator (Clark Quinn): rats, jay grabbed it from me
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Mireille Jansma: Can I connect with you at Ning?
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Liz Dorland (Chimera Cosmos): Bye Jay!
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Moderator (Clark Quinn): I typed my answer anyay
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Luciana Annunziata: TKS! Tchau!
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Susan Neva: anyone can go to expo only for free
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Rob Robertson: Whats Woodstock ?
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Rob Robertson: 
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Rudy Rosales (XicanoWan): @ Jay, LOL!
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Ammar: u bit
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Liz Dorland (Chimera Cosmos): /me got caught in traffic and couldn’t make it there from Rochester hehe
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Moderator (Clark Quinn): thanks to my colleagues and to you all for your participation, tolerance, etc
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Moderator (Clark Quinn): Rob LOL
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ross trying again: something our parents talk about
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Me: now Clark
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Moderator (Clark Quinn): bye all!
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laura (cambridge ma usa): bye
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Me:
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Rob Robertson: thanks al!
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Mireille Jansma: @Rob Woodstock = festival in the sixties
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Ammar: bye & thank u
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Eduardo Peirano: Thank you!
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James BonTempo: until tomorrow
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larryL: later…good job and thankz
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Me: Woodstock
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Mireille Jansma: Thank you a lot.
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Rudy Rosales (XicanoWan): Thanks all, a great discussion, AGAIN!
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Me: great comparison
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Liz Dorland (Chimera Cosmos): @Clark Is wild irreverance OK in this space? heh
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Moderator (Jay Cross): recording halted
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Liz Dorland (Chimera Cosmos): SL has normed my backchat
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Moderator (Jay Cross): good bye, everyone
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Rudy Rosales (XicanoWan): @liz, Normed?
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Mireille Jansma: @Liz I think irreverance is wildly respected here
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Liz Dorland (Chimera Cosmos): just made that up–dumb huh
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Moderator (Jay Cross): See ou at http://tinyurl.com/5d8no2
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Liz Dorland (Chimera Cosmos): normed as in shaped into what it now is
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Liz Dorland (Chimera Cosmos): my style
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Mauricio Andrade de Paula: bye bye!
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Moderator (Clark Quinn): liz, wild irreverance is expected among revolutionaries
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Liz Dorland (Chimera Cosmos): you have to be quick in there
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Mireille Jansma: I’s irreverance that got this conference going, I think
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Liz Dorland (Chimera Cosmos): thx Clark–it’s just us revolutionaries in here
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Liz Dorland (Chimera Cosmos): @Clark–are you in SL–can’t remember if you said
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Liz Dorland (Chimera Cosmos): I’ve got a bridge to sell you…
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Rudy Rosales (XicanoWan): @liz, dumb, I dug it!
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Moderator (Clark Quinn): Liz, at times, not often
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Liz Dorland (Chimera Cosmos): thx hehe
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Rudy Rosales (XicanoWan): speaking if SL…
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Liz Dorland (Chimera Cosmos): who are you?
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Mireille Jansma: All due respect to the irreverent organisers and never mind generational sterotyping
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Rob Robertson: @Liz I am robrob mccoy in world
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Liz Dorland (Chimera Cosmos): ok
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Liz Dorland (Chimera Cosmos): you know who I am
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Rob Robertson: I will look for you
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Moderator (Clark Quinn): if there’s a time I *should* be, let me know
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Liz Dorland (Chimera Cosmos): all the time
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Rudy Rosales (XicanoWan): I have a meeting right now with a worlds creator, and he is going to be showcasing with me his latest sim
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Liz Dorland (Chimera Cosmos): so many events I can’t keep up
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Moderator (Clark Quinn): gotta get more on to it, my buddy/old boss is their CTO
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Liz Dorland (Chimera Cosmos): had to give up some to do this in fact
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Liz Dorland (Chimera Cosmos): ooooo…which one! Phil or Mitch?
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Rudy Rosales (XicanoWan): kystalnacht in SL, check it out guys.
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Liz Dorland (Chimera Cosmos): not up on my terminology re CT whatever
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Moderator (Clark Quinn): No, Joe (Miller)
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Mireille Jansma: I was Fay Fargis in SL. Only I quit one year ago.
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Liz Dorland (Chimera Cosmos): come back!
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Rudy Rosales (XicanoWan): Bye all!
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Mireille Jansma: Perhaps I should visit again…
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Mireille Jansma: Bye and thanks everyone
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Moderator (Clark Quinn): SL = Quinnovate Something, twitter = @Quinnovator
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Liz Dorland (Chimera Cosmos): oh T as in Technology Clark
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Liz Dorland (Chimera Cosmos): my knowledge is not that deep in the org structure he
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Moderator (Clark Quinn): Liz, yes (other T?)
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Liz Dorland (Chimera Cosmos): maybe if you told me his Linden name
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Moderator (Clark Quinn): Joe LInden
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Liz Dorland (Chimera Cosmos): just distracted by the CO part
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Mireille Jansma: @Liz I’ll do that. But first I’ll go to Ning and make some friends there
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Liz Dorland (Chimera Cosmos): CXO
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Liz Dorland (Chimera Cosmos): gotta do it all!
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Mireille Jansma: Bye!
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Moderator (Clark Quinn): yeah, time to go to the discussion on Ning (and the rest of my life…)
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Liz Dorland (Chimera Cosmos): my SL group is called “Networked Brain Explosions” lol
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Liz Dorland (Chimera Cosmos): I can get you a tag with that
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Liz Dorland (Chimera Cosmos): or some varient
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Liz Dorland (Chimera Cosmos): and Jokaydia rocks BTW–lots of Aussies, but others too
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Liz Dorland (Chimera Cosmos): Jo Kay is awesome
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Me: @ Liz, what is your SL name?
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Liz Dorland (Chimera Cosmos): Just today I’m missing a play at the Slovenian Public Television sim
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Liz Dorland (Chimera Cosmos): it’s in parentheses here–not visible?
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Me: gotcha
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Liz Dorland (Chimera Cosmos): Chimera Cosmos
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Me: thx
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Liz Dorland (Chimera Cosmos): twitter ldinstl_chimera if you missed that–I’m following a lot of interesting groups of folks
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Liz Dorland (Chimera Cosmos): overwhelming
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Me: very little SL talk here at this conference
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Liz Dorland (Chimera Cosmos): and don’t hesitate to friend me on FB at Liz Dorland
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Liz Dorland (Chimera Cosmos): right
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Liz Dorland (Chimera Cosmos): corporate types can be timid about it, or believe the weird press
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Liz Dorland (Chimera Cosmos): heard of Metanomics in SL?
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Me: thanks liz
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Liz Dorland (Chimera Cosmos): and the slcn.tv network?
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Me: never heard off
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Me: nope
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Liz Dorland (Chimera Cosmos): tons of shows at http://slcn.tv
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Liz Dorland (Chimera Cosmos): or you can go to live tapings
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Me: great
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Liz Dorland (Chimera Cosmos): Metanomics has 25K viewers who watch reruns of it on the web–a lot from China and everywhere
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Me: thanks a lot
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Liz Dorland (Chimera Cosmos): main website: http://www.metanomics.ne
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Liz Dorland (Chimera Cosmos): oops http://www.metanomics.net
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Liz Dorland (Chimera Cosmos): worth checking out–host is a Cornell prof from the Johnson School of Management
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Liz Dorland (Chimera Cosmos): ok–gotta go
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Liz Dorland (Chimera Cosmos): nice meeting you all, sort of!
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Nigel: Liz.. a meeting is a meeting is a meeting.. We have met each other and there is the online discussion in ning to continue the meetings with each other!
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Nigel:
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Me: just enjoying Liz twitter, Nigel
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Me: you HAVE TO GO ON TWITTER
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Me: its awesome
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Nigel: OK.. I Heeeaaaaaarrrrr you.
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Me: she is funny
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Me: quote from Liz’s twitter
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Me: “Blog is Dead” –@Nietzsche “Nietzsche is Dead” –@Blog No wait! That’s not quite it…heheh
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Me: am I glad I caught your ear, down under, finally
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jay: i have a favor to ask
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jay: the chat disappears when you leave the room
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Me to jay: yes, Jay
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