Comments on: Bad advice on social networks. For a fee… http://www.informl.com/2007/10/06/bad-advice-on-social-networks-for-a-fee/ from Jay Cross and Internet Time Group Wed, 10 Mar 2010 00:02:33 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Library clips :: The value of networked free-form publishing :: February :: 2008 http://www.informl.com/2007/10/06/bad-advice-on-social-networks-for-a-fee/comment-page-1/#comment-887 Library clips :: The value of networked free-form publishing :: February :: 2008 Tue, 11 Nov 2008 11:30:19 +0000 http://informl.com/?p=821#comment-887 [...] Jay Cross mentioned this in a blog post a while ago about formalising informal networks. From his post: [...] [...] Jay Cross mentioned this in a blog post a while ago about formalising informal networks. From his post: [...]

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By: Library clips :: CoPs and Informal networks :: November :: 2007 http://www.informl.com/2007/10/06/bad-advice-on-social-networks-for-a-fee/comment-page-1/#comment-886 Library clips :: CoPs and Informal networks :: November :: 2007 Mon, 12 Nov 2007 22:22:09 +0000 http://informl.com/?p=821#comment-886 [...] Jay Cross, Mike Gotta, Jack Vinson have all commented on this new report about formalising informal networks. [...] [...] Jay Cross, Mike Gotta, Jack Vinson have all commented on this new report about formalising informal networks. [...]

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By: Informal Learning Blog :: Informal Learning: Show me the money. http://www.informl.com/2007/10/06/bad-advice-on-social-networks-for-a-fee/comment-page-1/#comment-885 Informal Learning Blog :: Informal Learning: Show me the money. Wed, 10 Oct 2007 07:46:29 +0000 http://informl.com/?p=821#comment-885 [...] Learning already goes on all over your organization, as confirmed in this study published by McKinsey last week: In any professional setting, networks flourish spontaneously: human nature, including [...] [...] Learning already goes on all over your organization, as confirmed in this study published by McKinsey last week: In any professional setting, networks flourish spontaneously: human nature, including [...]

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By: John Tropea http://www.informl.com/2007/10/06/bad-advice-on-social-networks-for-a-fee/comment-page-1/#comment-884 John Tropea Tue, 09 Oct 2007 05:20:05 +0000 http://informl.com/?p=821#comment-884 Perfect example of what you posted about: Management can kill a community of practice http://www.anecdote.com.au/archives/2006/07/management_can.html Luis Suarez also picked this up a while back: http://www.elsua.net/2006/08/01/management-can-kill-a-community-of-practice-so-what-can-it-do-to-help-out/ Instead of managing a CoP, he mentions leadership and sponsoring as much less intrusive Perfect example of what you posted about:
Management can kill a community of practice
http://www.anecdote.com.au/archives/2006/07/management_can.html

Luis Suarez also picked this up a while back:
http://www.elsua.net/2006/08/01/management-can-kill-a-community-of-practice-so-what-can-it-do-to-help-out/

Instead of managing a CoP, he mentions leadership and sponsoring as much less intrusive

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By: John Tropea http://www.informl.com/2007/10/06/bad-advice-on-social-networks-for-a-fee/comment-page-1/#comment-888 John Tropea Mon, 08 Oct 2007 23:18:56 +0000 http://informl.com/?p=821#comment-888 Hi Jay, I agree with Mike Gotta on some points, I think the idea of the report is the realisation that people connect in the enterprise, or are related other ways than org hierarchy...and they may do this effectively with informal networks, such as email groups. The report is wanting to capitalise on these networks, give them more exposure so others can be aware and have input...the more people connecting the more people know where to go to get the right information. In some instances this may be handy as an email group may be too busy to amplify their network...but if some learning/km staff offer some tools, primers (guides), and training, they may be excited that it will be easier to network in their group. But it's only an offer...I agree with you, there is no need to formalise these groups if they don't want to. Perhaps they may like networking tools as they are the right tools for the job, but this doesn't mean in exchange they have to formalise (or open up) their group. Like you say the moment this happens, it becomes a task group, especially having a performance leader...people once contributed for sharing interests and expertise, being formal may turn it into more work and deliverables...then people will slowly be less enthused as they have been hijacked to some extent. The other issue is trust, whether a group or network takes on new tools to help connect better, they may not want to become formal as they only trust each other with the content that resides in the group. It's better leaving a group alone, than formalising...they may abandon the group, and then you are left with no-one sharing anything. It's better that some share than none. I got the trust point from Dave Snowden's podcast: http://www.cognitive-edge.com/podcastdetails.php?podid=15 Hi Jay,

I agree with Mike Gotta on some points, I think the idea of the report is the realisation that people connect in the enterprise, or are related other ways than org hierarchy…and they may do this effectively with informal networks, such as email groups.

The report is wanting to capitalise on these networks, give them more exposure so others can be aware and have input…the more people connecting the more people know where to go to get the right information.

In some instances this may be handy as an email group may be too busy to amplify their network…but if some learning/km staff offer some tools, primers (guides), and training, they may be excited that it will be easier to network in their group.

But it’s only an offer…I agree with you, there is no need to formalise these groups if they don’t want to. Perhaps they may like networking tools as they are the right tools for the job, but this doesn’t mean in exchange they have to formalise (or open up) their group.

Like you say the moment this happens, it becomes a task group, especially having a performance leader…people once contributed for sharing interests and expertise, being formal may turn it into more work and deliverables…then people will slowly be less enthused as they have been hijacked to some extent.

The other issue is trust, whether a group or network takes on new tools to help connect better, they may not want to become formal as they only trust each other with the content that resides in the group.

It’s better leaving a group alone, than formalising…they may abandon the group, and then you are left with no-one sharing anything. It’s better that some share than none.

I got the trust point from Dave Snowden’s podcast:
http://www.cognitive-edge.com/podcastdetails.php?podid=15

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By: Library clips http://www.informl.com/2007/10/06/bad-advice-on-social-networks-for-a-fee/comment-page-1/#comment-883 Library clips Mon, 08 Oct 2007 03:40:42 +0000 http://informl.com/?p=821#comment-883 <strong>km 2.0 enablers: blogs, wikis, and social networks...</strong> NOTE: km 2.0 is refering to moreso the personal knowledge sharing aspects of knowledge management…these social tools used to share information are also retainers of information. Communities of Practice (CoPs) are a great idea for experts to com... km 2.0 enablers: blogs, wikis, and social networks…

NOTE: km 2.0 is refering to moreso the personal knowledge sharing aspects of knowledge management…these social tools used to share information are also retainers of information.
Communities of Practice (CoPs) are a great idea for experts to com…

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